Guide To Sword Manufacturers - An Honest Run Down Jul 13, 2014 6:28:15 GMT
Post by Jack Loomes on Jul 13, 2014 6:28:15 GMT
GUIDE TO MANUFACTURERS FOR SWORD BUYERS
GUIDE TO MANUFACTURERS FOR SWORD BUYERS
Finding an honest overview of companies who mass produce swords is not easy. Many sword forums have financial entanglements with particular manufacturers, or their moderators have heavy personal biases which they are not open about. Having worked in a department next to the marketing department of a major multinational corporation I can personally vouch for the fact that forums are often the playgrounds of marketing teams (I personally overheard said marketing team discussing plans for subversion of online forums for financial gain).
There is definitely a reason you will not find a single bad word said about some sword making companies online, and unfortunately it isn't because those sword making companies consistently produce swords that have absolutely nothing wrong with them. A1b1on is in my view the worst offender by far in this regard, and it is to my thinking conspicuous that A1b1on are pouring significant resources into manipulating SEO and the operators of numerous sword forums.
We at Sword-Site however have a policy of transparency; any deals we do with companies are always published. For example Darksword have advertised with us intermittently, but this was as a result of my having written positive things about Darksword of my own accord. Darksword I feel all too often get given unfair reviews - I wrote good things about Darksword because I have bought numerous excellent swords from them, I had no desire to curry favor, and no idea that they would ever consider placing banners on Sword-Site. Darksword placed banners on Sword-Site on and off for about a year in total, but never once was their advertising dependent on favorable reviews, in fact the subject was never raised on even one single occasion. Eyal Azerad and his team are extremely honorable in this regard. Darksword have ceased advertising with Sword-Site and as far as I am aware do not intend to advertise with Sword-Site in the future but parted with me on good terms and my opinion of their company remains the same as it was long before I even considered that they might one day become patrons. I never had any obligation to make them look good then, and neither do I now, but my personal view of Darksword is as consistent as before, during and after they advertised with Sword-Site.
My belief is that the same transparent practices are not utilized by Sore Losers' Guide or MyPalmery. I think that anyone who has spent time going through MyPalmery's or Sore Losers' Guide's reviews and editorial direction on certain sword makers will see that both sites are highly tainted by the presence of 'donated' swords and the competitions they hold to win said words, sword 'donated' for review generally, and swords 'lent for review' (a tactic the thoroughly unpleasant and sinister cheapskate Michael P1ku1a is fond of), and outright bias which neither Sore Loser's Guide or MyPalmery would ever be man enough to admit to. Furthermore it is plain as day that unless you follow the party line on those sites you'll be subject to torrents of abuse from gangs of forumites who 'coincidentally' share the same IP addresses or physical locations and whose idiosyncratic spelling and grammar are extremely alike...followed by a passive aggressive banning and exit letter from Nathan Ro81nson or some other unqualified 'expert'(moron) like him.
Nathan is a website designer by the way, with no relevant unversity/college degree or background in a relevant industry such as sword appraisal to back up his claims of grandeur. Nathan, naturally, like most pseudo-scholars is adamant that there are no job qualifications or University Courses directly applicable to his field of 'expertise', (a view shared by Peter Joh55on - an illustrator by training) - a view widely considered laughable by the academic community.
Even Ewart Oakeshott gladly delegated to the academic community, and worthwhile swordmakers like Tinker Pearce have a far more open view towards the knowledge of swords and do not seek to seclude themselves from the academic world. The warmth of Tinker Pearce is palpable - the secrecy of Peter Joh55on and his alleged repository of measurements and handling of swords (and unwillingness to put numbers or publish findings except for vagaries that piggyback off medieval geometry) is self generated condemnation of Peter that far surpasses anything I could level at him.
Tinker Pearce on the otherhand is a likeable gentleman, a master craftsman, and a humble man who has no desire to put himself up on a pedestal despite his remarkable skill. Furthermore Tinker has shared the vast majority of a book he wrote on sword making for free.
Peter has made some posts on Don F0gg's forum in which Peter is reluctant to share his own experience to say the least.
Personally I think the contrast between the two approaches to swords is like night and day.
Say what you will about me but I have published Sword-Site for free, on the net, for everyone to look at, scrutinise, learn from, disagree with, or cherish. What I have learnt I gladly share for free for the betterment of mankind.
Lastly guides that exist regarding manufacturers online were generally written 5 to 10 years ago, and so reflect the position of the maker up to a decade or more ago - but many companies have improved or changed since then so I felt that an up to date guide was overdue.
With this in mind I propose to pen an honest review of the major players, highlighting pros and cons in a transparent way.
Please keep in mind, that like all reviews, this summary reflects the views of myself the author and though I present this guide as honestly as possible, all reviews are ultimately subjective in nature.
So without further ado:
Steels Used - Unspecified High Carbon Steels, probably from the 10xx series (for instance 1065AISI)
Information on Windlass Steelcrafts, including construction, overall value for money and other factors to consider when looking at these swords.
Windlass began as a manufacturer of Kukri Knives during World War 2 (1943) and are based in India. Since their inception Windlass have manufactured swords and knives for the world's militaries, so Windlass have an impressive pedigree in this regard.
Generally speaking Windlass swords are in the $100 - $300 dollar range, with exceptions to be found within about $50 - $100 either side.
The almost universally well thought of and popular Windlass European sword is an attractive and beautifully balanced Oakeshott Type XII medieval sword.
Tough - more often than not Windlass make very tough swords.
Good Fit & Finish - for the money, Windlass produce swords that represent good value and a fit and finish better than their price might suggest.
Historically Appropriate Manufacture - by and large Windlass swords are produced and assembled in a way that is consistent with the historical swords they represent. For instance Western European swords tend to have a peened, or burnished tang (for more information on sword construction see sword-site.com/thread/103/functional-sword-nonsense-answers )
Sharpness - due to Indian law Windlass cannot ship swords sharp. What they do instead is ship swords that have a butter knife sharp edge on them. It does not take long to sharpen Windlass Swords though, even with only hand tools like a file and whetstone.
Contrary to what some forums claim a sharpened butter knife sharp sword is not anachronistic, or deviate from historically appropriate edge geometry.
Distal Taper - while Windlass swords usually feature some distal taper, they will generally not feature as much as a Hanwei Tinker Pearce sword for instance. Historically it was not uncommon for swords to have little to no distal taper, so a lack of it does not represent abandonment of historical accuracy as some forums claim, however a sword with less distal taper will usually require greater strength on the behalf of the wielder to move around - resulting in greater striking power - but meaning you'll need to get going on the chinups and pushups to keep up with the sword. Keep in mind that historical swordsmen would have been strong men, they didn't sit around at their computer desks all day! For more information on distal taper see: sword-site.com/thread/103/functional-sword-nonsense-answers
Third World Manufacture - this one is getting harder and harder to avoid as time goes on. In short Windlass swords are made in India, which unfortunately does not have the reputation for worker's rights that the Western World does. It should be noted however that conditions from one Indian factory to another vary greatly, with some good and others terrible. So far no reports of the ill treatment of staff have come out of India regarding Windlass, and their staff in the Western World do seem to enjoy a very pleasant workplace.
You can find several excellent Windlass Swords available for sale through Sword-Site (via KOA) here: sword-site.com/board/45/sword-sites-sponsored-deals-upkeep
Kult of Athena consistently sell Windlass Swords at the lowest prices: Kult of Athena
Steels Used - In The Past Generally 1065AISI High Carbon Steel; Currently (Almost Always) They Are Using 5160AISI High Carbon Silicon Spring Steel Which Is Selectively Hardened
Information on Darksword Armory, including construction, overall value for money and other factors to consider when looking at these swords.
Darksword Armory is based Canada and have been operating in their current form since the late 1990s.
At the time of writing Darksword's offerings are generally within the $300 - $700 range. Darksword have launched an all pattern welded range whose prices tend to be around $1600 Canadian Dollars.
One of the most popular of the 'messer' family of sword and knife hybrids currently in production is Darksword's attractive Messer.
Tough - as modern mass produced swords Darksword are among the toughest.
Historical Feel - you'd be hard pressed to find modern sword blades that look more like they came from a medieval forge. Darksword Armory forges all its swords and as a result they have an authentic appearance.
Distal Taper - In the past at least Darksword swords tended to not have alot of distal taper. Again this is not necessarily a big no no in terms of authenticity, but it does mean that if you don't do any strength based exercises on a regular basis you will probably struggle wielding Darksword Armory swords.
*Update January 2015 - Darksword's current offerings are now forged to shape with significant distal taper.
Rustic - while the rustic appearance of some Darksword swords can be appealing in its own right, some people find the fit and finish of Darksword's offerings not to their taste. Buyers of Darksword swords often tell me the sturdiness of Darksword's swords is more important to them than minor issues of aesthetics, and I tend to agree. It should be noted too that as of 2014 the newer additions to Darksword's lineup have come ahead in leaps and bounds in terms of cosmetic issues.
*Update 2014 - I have recently reviewed two of Darksword's excellent swords and while they were always good they have gotten even better, check out these two reviews:
Darksword Armory Celtic Anthropomorphic Short Sword Review
Darksword Armory Two Handed Gothic Sword Review
Kult of Athena consistently sell Darksword Armory swords at excellent prices: Kult of Athena
Steels Used - Mild Steel for decorative models / EN45 for "Battle Ready" models
Information on Deepeeka swords, including construction, overall value for money and other factors to consider when looking at these swords.
Deepeeka swords are based in India and are roughly thirty years old. They have moved into swords in the last two decades.
Deepeeka occupy an unusual market position - on the one hand they produce the largest range of ancient world swords - such as the swords of the Ancient Greeks and Romans, many of which are quite good; on the other hand they have a reputation for producing medieval swords that are sometimes less than excellent.
Most Deepeeka swords are between $50 to $150.
Ancient World Swords - when it comes to Roman and ancient world swords generally, Deepeeka have the largest range of any one producer by far. Some of their Roman offerings are great, designed in conjunction with reenactors. In balance I should point out that while Deepeeka's Bronze swords are cheap, they are not particularly great.
Cheap - I do not think that their is a mass manufacturer of swords who sells swords as cheaply as Deepeeka do. Sometimes these low prices are achieved in ways which may be undesirable - for instance using medium density fiber (particle board) in scabbards rather than regular timber.
Thick blades - Deepeeka swords almost always have thick blades. This can be a good thing for reenactors who use swords for repeated sword on sword work. On the other hand the thick blades can make Deepeeka swords unwieldy. Why exactly Deepeeka consistently use thick blades is not clear, however I suspect they do so because thick blades require alot less time to make (less time being ground to shape).
Less Than Rugged Construction - Deepeeka make swords at great prices, there's no denying that. The old maxim is true though: you usually get what you pay for. Often Deepeeka swords will feature welded on tangs, chunky fittings, rough edges and other byproducts of their cheap prices. If you are looking for a sword that is part of a costume, this is unlikely to be a problem.
It is worth noting that Deepeeka have made big strides forward in the sturdiness department - specifically by creating lines of swords that are capable of withstanding reasonable amounts of punishment (swords denoted as "Battle Ready").
Third World Manufacture - It's very hard to avoid third world labour when buying mass produced swords and Deepeeka, based in India, is no exception.
Kult of Athena consistently sell Deepeeka swords at the cheapest price of any vendor: Kult of Athena
CAS Hanwei & The Hanwei Tinker Pearce Line
Steels used - ASSAB K120C (Swedish Powder Steel) [Manufactured in Japan], L6 / Bainite Tool Steel, 1075 & 1090AISI Carbon steel, Tamahagane
Information on CAS Hanwei & The Hanwei Tinker Pearce line of swords, including construction, overall value for money and other factors to consider when looking at these swords.
Wikipedia has the following to say about CAS Hanwei:
Hanwei is a company manufacturing swords, operated by Chen Chao-Po, better known by his pseudonym Paul Chen.
Chen is a Chinese sword collector who in ca. 1997 opened a factory in Dalian manufacturing inexpensive replicas of Edo period Japanese swords. The manufacturing process imitates methods of traditional Japanese swordsmiths, for a fraction of the price. Hanwei enjoys considerable success among hobbyists (e.g. practitioners of Iaido) due to the prohibitive pricetag of "real" Japanese shinken and has moved into manufacturing models of Chinese and European swords as well, including typical specimens of a Viking sword, a knightly sword and a hand-and-a-half sword.
CAS Hanwei work as an umbrella group for a number of other brands - the CAS Hanwei official website:
Many of our products, and all of our swords, are made by Hanwei in China, in their Dalian facility. Our GDFB line of reenactment products is made by GDFB in Delhi, India. Our line of Synthetic Sparring Swords are made in England by Rawlings. The Kizlyar Supreme brand of knives are designed and made in St. Petersburg, Russia. The Viper by Tecnocut line of knives are made in Italy.
CAS Hanwei and their affiliated brands occupy a few market positions, ranging from swords offered at prices as low as $170 to swords priced at amongst the highest end for mass produced swords at $2700.
The sturdy and capable Hanwei Tinker Norman sword is an Oakeshott Type X transitional viking to medieval style.
Hanwei Tinker Pearce Line - the Hanwei Tinker Pearce line is excellent, and represents some of the best value for money mass produced swords available. The Hanwei Tinker Pearce line are all designed by renowned sword maker Michael Pearce himself. The Tinker Pearce line represent excellent performance and the austere and harmonious lines for which Medieval European battlefield swords were renowned.
Japanese Swords - Hanwei are amongst the best mass manufacturers of Japanese style swords and utilise a broad range of techniques and materials to offer swords at a variety of price points. Generally speaking Hanwei are very well thought of makers of Japanese style swords.
All Hanwei Katana swords feature real hamon (i.e. differential hardening) unless otherwise specified.
Anachronistic Design - some of the cheaper European style swords CAS Hanwei offer feature design elements which aren't brimming with historical authenticity. For some people this is an annoyance, though for others it does not matter. In the case of the Tinker Pearce line several offerings have nut based finials on swords that historically were not assembled in that way (nuts not being used on swords until the 17th cenutry), though it is worth pointing out that the Norman and Viking models are both peened (which is an historically appropriate method of securing a hilt assembly), and furthermore that a nut based assembly can be extremely practical and useful for disassembly.
Another example of anachronistic design can be found in the use of fibreglass scabbards. Again for some this is a problem, while for others not a problem at all.
Distal taper - or lack thereof it. Again, this is an issue that applies in the main to the cheapest swords which often do not have distal taper. It should be noted however that all of the Hanwei Tinker Pearce line feature excellent distal taper.
Third World Manufacture - the almost omnipresent dilemma presented by most manufacturers of mass produced swords.
Kult of Athena consistenly sell CAS Hanwei swords at the cheapest prices: Kult of Athena
Baltimore Knife and Sword
BKS as they are usually known are relative newcomers to the sword manufacturing scene and operate out of, you guessed it, Baltimore!
In terms of price BKS offer swords from about $350 through to pattern welded (damascus steel) models that come in about $1500. They also manufacture spear heads, pollarms / pole-arms and other related weapons. BKS make weapons with thick edges and fittings intended for stage combat and reenactment.
Made in the West - BKS manufacture weapons in the U.S.A. so you can be certain that relevant safety protocols are adhered to by their workshop.
Tough - BKS have a reputation for making sturdy swords.
Grips - Although BKS makes swords well, their black spiral leather grips are not the most attractive offerings available from a sword marque, they do however do their job and are not known for coming off easily.
Chunky - Because BKS make swords for stage and reenactment they are required to over-engineer their swords. As a result their fittings and blades tend to be on the heavy and thick side, which can detract from their appearance. It is worth pointing out though that they are designed this way for a reason.
Kult of Athena sell BKS swords and arms at a rate that is consistently cheaper than any other vendor: Kult of Athena
Del Tin Armi Antiche
From Del Tin's Official Website:
Silvano Del Tin together with his older son was producing switch-blade knives and stilettos in his workshop in Maniago, when in 1965 they decided to make some replicas of antique weapons. At first this was jus a hobby, indeed Silvano and son made some swords,halberds, axes, maces and other items for themselves. Later they exibited them in an exhibition in Florence. Due to the great success they obtained in that exibition, They decided to drop the traditional production of knives to make exclusively replicas of old weapons.
Fulvio Del Tin joined his father in 1970. Since 1989 the DEL TIN ARMI ANTICHE COMPANY is led by Fulvio Del Tin and nowadays it is offering a wide range of replicas of old swords and daggers and other weapons, from the bronze age up until the seventeenth century. Throughout these years Fulvio Del Tin analysed and produced a great number of pieces based on the originals hold in museums and private collections. His purpose is to make accurate old weapons that in quality and look are equal to original ones. Occasionally the research is also based on the iconography of the time to create pieces no longer in existence.
Del Tin make excellent swords that tend to occupy the $350 - $850 price range.
Faithful Reproduction - Del Tin make swords which show strong fidelity to the originals they are copied from.
Attractive Fit & Finish - although Del Tin do not offer swords from their mass production range which are finished to the same level as high end custom their swords are almost always easy on the eye. Swords come with beautiful finishes on their blades, though cast steel and copper alloy fittings tend to be machined to a slightly less polished state.
Historically Appropriate - by and large Del Tin swords are produced and assembled in a way that is consistent with historical norms, for instance: peened tangs.
Not Shipped Sharp - Italian law prohibits Del Tin from shipping swords with a sharp edge, so their swords come with an edge that is comparable to a butterknife's sharpness. However it does not take long to sharpen a butter knife sharp edge even if the sharpening is done entirely by hand.
Welded Tangs - This is not really a fault, but is worth noting for some buyers. On some models Del Tin use welded on tangs. This tends to be on the longer models of sword. There are no reports I am aware of of Del Tin swords breaking in the handle / tang however.
Kult of Athena consistently sell Del Tin swords at the cheapest price of any vendor: Kult of Athena